Talk:August

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Contents 1 Previously 2 UAQ by jnwrx1 3 UAQ by MikeL 4 August 5 Continuity error? 6 Canada Thing 7 Observer Names 8 Observer's Message

Previously

Any speculation? I got some but they are not really the clue that I think we are looking for. - Xerophytes 11:43, 25 November 2009 (UTC).

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UAQ by jnwrx1

I don't think it is an unanswered question because Broyles did mention that no personal thing in possession had been gathered from the assassin. That means, the phone is not with him at the crime scene. And FBI didn't retrieve the item. - Xerophytes 08:02, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

- I think the question stands. Broyles validates the question. He doesn't have it - who does? What happened to it? They hurried August out of there quickly and undetected after he was shot. Maybe a second clean-up crew got in there undetected and grabbed all of the tech stuff, and other evidence... kind of like the rats going in after Kenny when he dies on South Park. –DocH– my edits 14:42, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

UAQ by MikeL

Mike asked about the "Whaling Article" on the wall at Augusts' residence. I posted it because it was prominent and readable... I do not know that anything in the article is important to this episode... still - it may be a Next Episode Clue - because of the way they made it prominent. There were other images. One had an article about losing the Titanic, another about VJ-day and another still about the first Moon-walk (Neil Armstrong, not M. Jackson). The articles were all really old/sunburned, and from the New Bedford Dispatch in Connecticut. But, in the middle of those articles, was a more recent article (not so sunburned) - "Scientists share breaking discovery" - with an image that looks like young Walter. Of course it is blurry enough in HD that you can not read it. We will have to wait for the DVD. dang. -- –DocH– my edits 23:52, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

• The next episode clue, I think, is the Chinese takeaway with a dragon sign on it. And I think that is more appropriate because it is not very obvious, as well as, the setting of Snakehead is Chinatown area of Boston. How do you upload pictures in here? - Xerophytes 13:09, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
• Could be. I have an opinion on NEC too, but I will restrict the specifics to avoid trodding over our Spoiler Policy here. I can say that the Yellow Page directory caught my eye. Besides the error - the listing was spelled "Brook Motel", while the advert said "Brooke Motel". They use an unusual symbol in the advert that may be the NEC - the middle letter, an "O". Saying more would be spoilerish. Chinese takeaway? How British. [:^) I think us Yanks say "Chinese Takeout" for the most part. What do the Canucks use? –DocH– my edits 13:40, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
• Hahaha! I used to call it Chinese takeout, and when I move here to UK, I was told they call it takeaway. And now that I'm used to calling it takeaway, I am told by it. Hahaha. I don't know what does Canucks call it. Lemme check it out with my Canadian friends. - Xerophytes 07:59, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

- Takeout. --LabGo 23:05, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

August

I think we need to sort out the difference between the August as title episode and August as the name of the observer. It's confusing when I try putting the [[ ]] <- that tag. - Xerophytes 11:02, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

• I went ahead and built an August (Character) page. Typically, Episode titles take precedence over other things.--Jim 22:09, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Continuity error?

I'm not sure if it is a continuity error... but August didn't do the waving thing to catch the bullet on the first scene but it was caught by the surveillance camera. - Xerophytes 14:43, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

• I think the best answer is to include it. We can always delete the reference if it's determined to be insignificant, but finding it again could be difficult.--Jim 22:09, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
• Actually, when the policeman fires the first shot we don't see August, but the policeman. So he could have done this rapid movement without us seeing it. (What is stranger is a street surveillance hi-speed camera able to freeze a bullet!)--LabGo 21:14, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
• Not a continuity error. Someone so fast he can grab at 250 meter per second bullet? Only a hi-speed camera sees it? It is not that he "didn't do the waving thing to catch the bullet" - its' that we were not able to see him catch it... he was so fast. Blink once if you agree. (I just caught three bullets while you were blinking). - –DocH– my edits 21:24, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Canada Thing

We know that there's some sort of setting discrepancy because of the fringe set moved to Canada. There are a lot of things in this episode that are actually noticeable set in Canada, where do we put these things? An example of this is the Slocan Restaurant, which is in Canada. - Xerophytes 18:19, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

• Is Slocan's a chain? That might influence how we think of these things over the long term. I think the best answer is to include it. We can always delete the reference if it's determined to be insignificant, but finding it again could be difficult.--Jim 22:09, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
• Really??? A fictional show about fictional science (hence sci-fi) which has visibly demonstrated a parallel universe, giant parasites, mind-control, dreamscaping, hybrid monsters, etc... AND the question you raise is the fact (not fiction) that they have to use a burger joint that is 5000 kilometres from the fictional (not fact) place they say it is. oooohhh!!! suspend disbelief. Perhaps we are not seeing OUR universe. Maybe the whole thing is taking place 'over there', or on a third bizarro-world that has a Slocan franchise in Boston. –DocH– my edits 14:51, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
• I don't know if Slocan is found in US, since, I'm not from US and/or from Canada. But googling Slocan Restaurant shows up that it is indeed in Canada. August directed Bishop to 2758 H As Ti N Ge S. Hastinges doesn't exist as a street in either Boston or Vancouver. A possible error? Or it's just simply a matter of no way they can have G because there's no G in the periodic table. In real world, 2758 Hastings in Boston, there's no Slocan Restaurant. On the other hand, Slocan Restaurant is located at 2715 Hastings St E of Vancouver... could the E refer to that? With regards to the issue of whether we are seeing "our universe" or not, that is what we have to settle. Do we take the Canada thing as a continuity/production error? Because we place the Canadian flag error in the page... I can argue that in their world, the Canadian flag is a US flag.--Xerophytes 10:55, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

- I think you missed the point. It is a fictional show. They can make up names of businesses and streets and whatever - you can't say Slocan in Boston is a continuity or production blunder... fiction = they can make a fictional eatery where they want. Plus Google does NOT list everything. Particularly, when a business chooses not to list with them.

- I do agree with that. Same way, they can make up any flag and pretend that the flag we saw in the amusement park is not the flag of Canada, but flag of US in the "Fringe world". As I have said, I am not very sure whether Slocan Restaurant is indeed exist in Boston or purely in Canada, since I am not from there. The whole point of mine is not just on the Slocan Restaurant but on the notion whether we put as production or continuity error on everything we see that is obviously a "Canada thing" or we select only a few or we diregard this as an error. --Xerophytes 13:03, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

- Point remains. They deliberately allowed the Slocan as prominent in the shot. What is the error with that? The flag in the amusement park, not prominent. unintended. inconsistent with continuity. And it is "continuity errors" and "production notes" (not errors). Production notes are items that never touch the screen. Continuity errors are items that touch the screen, but contradict what was said, seen or directly implied. Maple Leaf flag over the implied Boston locale = contradictory. Imaginary restaurant named Slocum in the Boston area = ???? contradicts what ???? –DocH– my edits 13:54, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

- I have now confirmed from someone from Boston that Slocan Restaurant doesn't exist in Boston. It is a matter of opinion for me on whether the restaurant exist as an "imaginary" or it is indeed a wrong reference of Boston and Vancouver. But my whole point in this issue is when do we draw a line on calling a certain scenario as a "continuity error" due to the change of production location. I guess I got the answer that it should not be blatantly obvious to be considered as continuity error. -- Xerophytes _{Talk | Contribs} 14:50, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

- First. You quibble over MINOR General Trivia. Second. Production notes are from behind the scenes. Third. Continuity errors are when they contradict. So the minor general trivia bullet you suggest is - there are known Slocan restaurants in the greater Boston area. Fourth. you bring your scientific method into question when you base your thesis on a simple twitter from a colleague who lives in Melrose, MA. A suburb 8 miles north of Boston, who probably did no more than Google it too (I read all of the tweets). Fifth. Reasonable expectations - Canada flag, BC govt, Vancouver city... not reasonable to expect representation in the Boston area. Random small restaurant name of Slocan - reasonable. Sixth. Apply the standard of minutiae you suggest, and we you would have to write ten pages of trivia for each and every episode that airs. Examples: Gruno & Dunder Building where Olivia's car crashed in New York... no such place, or company. Olivia's home address... street exists, but not that address. They said they were chasing a guy down ABC Street... they were really on XYZ Avennue. Fully 95% of season one was shot in New York, not Boston - you will have to go back and identify each and every scene where something was not what they said it was. Go ahead and get started. At 8 hours a day, it should take about 10 months to do it right. Of course you'll miss the rest of season two. And no one will read it. There is your threshold. The episode page is not about the Trivia, it is about the Synopsis - where the volume of readers from around the world can get a concise, accurate, snapshot of the events that took place in that episode. Trivia is just that... trivial... the frosting on the cake that a small percentage of our readers want to put their finger into and swirl around. –DocH– my edits 16:53, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

- Gee, no need to get mad. If that's so, then so be it! -- Xerophytes _{Talk | Contribs} 17:54, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

- Mad? At what? You are new and seem eager to contribute. You contribute nicely (transcripts are work! aren't they? oh yeah!) I am an old head Admin here. I educate... and share standards. I don't get mad. I collaborate. Now... if you are sensitive to being addressed directly and succinctly... that won't change. –DocH– my edits [:^)

Observer Names

I didn't hear "our" observer addressed by his name and there's no "September" in the raw transcript. Is it premature to use his name?--Jim 22:09, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

• Hmm... I thought it was a common knowledge that Michael is September. But anyway. I am wondering where did we get the name July and December as I didn't hear the other two observer's name in the episode, neither it showed up in the raw transcript. - Xerophytes 19:40, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

- It comes from the credits at the end of the show.--LabGo 19:53, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

- :- In mid-Sep 08, two weeks before "The Arrival" a FOX press release described that show, listed the regular cast and listed the guest cast. Colonel Jacobson, September and Rogue were the character names matched to the guest cast. The next day, FOX re-released the info with NO character names. FOX has since officially referred to the Michael Cerveris character as The Observer and not September. Rogue was the assassin, Moseley. Since they immediately retracted the info AND the names were never used during the show by the creative staff - those names are not [Talk:Fringepedia:Canon|canon] here. The end credits are a product of the creative staff and can be modified by content within the show (i.e. December Smith, July Jones). I don't doubt that there is a Ep104 screenplay somewhere with the name September in it... eating a roast beef and jalapeno sandwich... but they chose to UNTELL us that for whatever reason (error, too soon). So Michael = September is not common knowledge or canon or F-pedia fact. It is just a data point in the trivia database. –DocH– my edits 22:20, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Observer's Message

Why does the observer say in the restaurant "likeness of a nitrogen molecule" when nitrogen is diatomic and only one atom was being discussed? Is the message explained somewhere on this site, because it's not clear what it said from the views of Walter's notes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by C2578 (talk • contribs) . 16:16, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Possibly just using symbols from periodic table, assuming the script proofreaders didn't catch the molecule bit and switch it to 'atom'.. so a "word" would be something like (nitrogen atom)(astatine atom)(einsteinium atom) for "NAtEs" or "Nate's". This is just an example, and my theory as to what Walter noticed. Could have used something other than dot to represent 5/10/more electrons, astatine and einsteinium have quite a few orbiting their nuclei. Noh Boddy 18:32, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

After looking at this message for a while, I am starting to believe it's pretty much gibberish made up by the writers - the right hand column especially. The left hand column is pretty easy, if you add 2 (The first number, top left) to the number of dots on each line down - the second line has 5 dots, plus 2 is 7 (then 3 dots to 5, 6 to 8). No clue what this means, or if it's correct. I originally thought the number of dots in the right column corresponded to the number of electrons in each written elements outer electron shell - hydrogen(H) is 1, Arsenic(As) is 5, Nitrogen(N) 5, Germanium(Ge) 4, sulfur(S) 6 (last one I can see) - but titanium(Ti) doesn't work (4 dots, 2 outer electrons - possibly written wrong and meant to put Tin? Tin does have 4). Although, if this theory is somewhat accurate, I did notice one fairly large problem. From what we can see, there is no way to distinguish between each element - as an example, both Nitrogen and Arsenic have 5 outer electrons. I really don't understand what was meant by the similarity to nitrogen, perhaps I am looking at this completely wrong, or there is just more to this code we don't see. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ZeaTTaeZ (talk • contribs) . 14:09, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

-Did anyone notice the Brooke Hotel yellowpages logo looked very similiar to one of the Observer's symbols. I know that is not the hotel he was staying at but they when they showed that page that was the most recognizable entry. Anyway - take a look at and see what you think... dkc568 , 25 November 2009

-Why yes... yes we did. That is why we have been talking about it further up the page - under UAQ by MikeL. –DocH– my edits 23:06, 25 November 2009 (UTC)