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WROE
Continuity? WROE is a radio station near Oshkosh (by-gosh) - 94.3 FM. The TV channel is 2... but looks like it might be WRQE. The Q is stylized and runs under the E and the 2. This is a question, not a statement. My digital copy does not have enough detail... plz, someone check. I could not find a WRQE, but Boston 2 is WGBH in the real world. Methinks. –DocH– my edits
- I think you're right. The station probably is a non-existent WRQE-2, similar to the WNKW-42 featured in Unleashed. I'll fix it.--Jim 14:16, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- Fixed. Is this a standardized system in which some call letters are reserved for fictional stations, similarly to using 555- when reciting telephone numbers?--Jim 14:23, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- I also think that both stations fall under 'General' trivia and not 'Production' trivia. My understanding is that 'Production' is about what happens behind the scenes and not on camera. Better yet - a fictional TV station on a fictional show? probably not trivia... just storytelling. I think it is trivia when they accidentally use real call letters. –DocH– my edits
- I have no problem with that change. I picked "Production Notes" after I realized that "Continuity Errors" was wrong.--Jim 20:45, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- Add "WPKW," the station broadcasting news of the aircraft being burned in Pilot. Are we chasing our own tails? -—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jim in Georgia (talk • contribs) .
- 1. The other voice on the tape William Bell. William Bell was Walter Bishop's science partner and Walter Bishop's voice can be heard on the tape as well. 2. Boston news reporting on New York traffic may simply be a production oversight; the show is filmed in New York City. --—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Loomis (talk • contribs) . on the theory page- relocated by –DocH– my edits
Parallels
Anyone notice the similarities between Nick and Olivia? Olivia got up in the morning, did exercises, went to her wardrobe of black/gray clothes... then off for coffee. Nick got up, exercised, closet of black and gray clothes, then coffee cup (plus pills X 5). Didn't his monologue about soldiering have a line about the dark clothes? –DocH– my edits 02:44, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, on the DVD commentary for this episode, Akiva Goldsman admits this was intentional directing, as he wanted to establish the connection between Olivia and Nick further.Dr Bishop 04:52, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Olive?
Did the Bell's voice on tape really said "It's allright Olive"? I've got subtitles where this moment is transcribed as "It's allright, all of us". My native language is not English and despite it doesn't sound like "all of us" to me but it certainly has something like "--s" at the end of sentence. --Dimonium 10:50, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
- I'll have to watch again, but it seems logical for it to be "Olive." Why else have Nick address Olivia as Olive if not to establish a link to the final scene?--Jim 12:38, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
- The transcripts here are accurate when WALTER (not Bell) says, "It's alright Olive" in the last lines of the episode. I just double-checked for the fifth time. Closed captioning has Olive also. –DocH– my edits 18:02, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Comments
- It's impossible to get a stroller through the type of turnstile the young mother took at the station. She might have used either the emergency exit or a 1/2 turnstile instead.
- What is wrong with the Bishop's hotel room? It seems to keep changing: this week, the TV cabinet is gone, but there's a piano with a glass tank and a rodent on top, different furniture, a fridge and books all over the place.
- Forgive & correct me if my 1st contribution is in the wrong place here, but I just had an amazing little coincidence :
I'm watching Season 1 for the 1st time, and had just gotten a ways into "Bad Dreams". Just after the scene where Olivia & Peter decide to head to New York, exciting Walter with the chance to see a show, like "Pippin !" ( as he exclaims ), I opened a 2nd browser window to idly see John Nobles' earlier career work. This includes his role as Denethor in "The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King", where his character is soothed by the songs sung by . . . Pippin !! ( an inside wink from the writers ? )
Next Episode Clue - DVD commentary
I finally got around to watching the commentary of this episode on the Season One DVD, which is done by Jeff Pinkner & Akiva Goldsman. During the commentary, Pinkner points out the Next Episode Clue for "Midnight", which is different than that one suggested here. It occurs when Nick Lane is walking down the street, attracting people to him with his mood, at the moment when a construction worker begins to follow him from under a canopy/street vendor umbrella. Written on the umbrella is "Night Stalker Energy Drinks", an obvious reference to Valerie Boone's killings seen in "Midnight". Pinkner also mentioned that the clues in each episode are always "visual/written", so I wouldn't be surprised if we've got a few other ones wrong. Also, in the scene where Nick Lane takes a gun from the drawer in his apartment, Jeff Pinkner points out that a component of David Jones' "test box" (which Olivia retrieves in "Ability" that contains the light board test, amongst other items) is seen in the drawer..I compared to the scene in "Ability", and it is indeed the black gameboard-looking piece. I'll go ahead and add it to the "Bad Dreams" page, but if someone else could find a screencap of the proper next episode clue of the umbrella, that'd be great as I am unable to. Dr Bishop 00:23, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
- Perhaps a inside reference to the show "Night Stalker" (recent remake series) which features an opening theme song similar to Fringe?--UrPQ31 02:20, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Corrections I'd like to see on the page
I'd like to suggest the following additions / corrections to the page because they contain significant additional material, clarify the description, and/or correct text.
- Prologue
1. Replace 'prepaid ticket' with "MetroCard"
2. Replace 'another viewpoint,' with "the other side of the tracks, through the subway car windows, we see that"
3. Replace 'Disturbed, she gets up.' with "Obviously very upset, Olivia gets out of bed."
4. After 'sit-up exercises,', add "chooses her clothing from a closet full of grays and blacks,"
- ACT I
1. After 'twenty-four hours.', add "Broyles comments that Olivia has appeared distracted and on edge lately."
2. Replace 'At the lab, Olivia explains' with "At the lab, Olivia has explained"
3. After 'teleported to New York.', add "Walter muses about astral projection but nixes it as well."
4. Replace 'name was Risa' with "name was Risa Pears and she was 28 years old"
5. After 'front of the train.', add "Walter reminds Olivia that dreams cannot always be taken literally."
6. Replace the last paragraph with "Olivia buys "No Sleep" pills in a drug store. Then she is seated for dinner in an upscale restaurant. At a table nearby, a woman gets angry with her husband when she suspects he was flirting with the waitress. The woman becomes very distraught, stands up, and starts yelling. He stands as well. She picks up a knife from the table. Olivia stands up, knocking her cup from the table. She walks over to the woman, takes her arm from behind, and drives the knife repeatedly into the husbands stomach. The man falls back into his chair. Oliva jolts awake -- it was another dream. She immediately calls Charlie and reports a murder."
- ACT II
1. Replace 'Peter interrupts ... into the hall.' with "Olivia becomes very distraught and begins posing leading questions to the woman suggesting that someone made her stab her husband. Noticing this, Peter interrupts and calls Olivia into the hall."
2. Replace 'Olivia sees the broken ... of the attack.' with "Olivia notices a piece of broken cup on the floor beside a table. When the manager becomes flippant with her, she grabs him by the collar, forces him against a table, and demands that he tell her who was sitting at that table last night."
3. Replace 'Risa's suicide again' with "Risa's suicide looking for the blond with the scar"
4. Replace 'dreams, watching through his eyes.' with "dreams or is dreaming about the "unsub". Olivia wonders why and who he is."
- ACT III
1. Replace the first paragraph with "In the situation room at the Federal Building, an FBI technician runs a facial recognition program looking for the scarfaced blond from the surveillance footage. Broyles marches into the room, demanding to know why FBI resources are being used on a case he knows nothing about. The program gets a hit. The man is Nick Lane, a former inmate at St. Jude's Mental Hospital. Olivia and Broyles enter his office and close the door. Olivia hesitantly explains the situation, afraid she is sounding crazy. She needs to get to the bottom of this, maybe take a few days off. Broyles phones Charlie Francis and tells him to open a case file for Nick Lane with Olivia Dunham as point."
2. Replace 'St. Jude's and speak with Doctor Miller' with "St. Jude's. Peter muses about Walter's experience as a patient in such an institute. They meet Doctor Miller and are taken to her office. She explains the Nick was there when she arrived and comments that he had a very comprehensive insurance policy from the military. He was there voluntarily, having checked himself in."
3. After 'in a coming war', add "against denizens of a parallel universe"
4. Replace 'Peter and Olivia call Astrid back at the lab.' with "On the drive back, while Peter looks through Nick Lane's file, they call Astrid back at the lab."
5. After 'Olivia is from.', add "Olivia says they have to talk with Walter."
6. Replace 'created the drug.' with "experimented with the drug. Walter comments that he had strong arguments with Belly about doing the experiments."
7. After 'their thoughts or feelings', add ", or travel to another world"
8. Replace 'Doctor. Miller' with "Doctor Miller"
9. Replace 'What Olivia wants to know is why she' with "Peter says this doesn't explain why Olivia"
10. Replace 'Walter puts Olivia' with "We see Olivia swaggering down a street and entering a gentleman's club. She sits down and becomes engrossed with a pole dancer. The dancer notices Olivia and returns the attention. They kiss. We hear Olivia narrating Nick's feelings and actions. Walter has put"
11. Replace 'He picks up ... leave together.' with "Olivia and the dancer, Ginger, leave together to find a hotel room."
12. Replace 'These emotions ... her neck.' with "These emotions infect the dancer. She breaks a glass and slashes her neck. Olivia is very upset and Walter tells Peter to comfort her."
13. Replace 'returns home' with "walks to his home which is almost under one of the city's bridges"
- ACT IV
1. Before the first paragraph, add a new paragraph containing "Nick Lane wakes to his alarm, does his push-up exercises, chooses his clothing from a closet full of grays and blacks, and takes some medications. He gets his gun from a desk and suddenly focuses on his front door."
2. Replace 'Olivia finds' with "Charlie calls Olivia to see"
3. Replace 'Meanwhile, Nick walks ... to follow him.' with "Meanwhile, Nick walks down a city street, deep in thought. As he passes people, he's infecting them and they follow him."
4. After 'Nick's apartment,', add "Walter studies a chess endgame and Peter studies the wall of clippings."
5. Replace 'building followed by a flock of people.' with "building, not alone. Nick has people following him."
6. Replace 'crowd of people standing' with "number of people standing"
7. After 'along the edge.', add "The Fringe team pass a police cordon and are warned not to continue because an officer sent up is now also standing on the roof's edge."
8. After 'remember any of it.', add "Nick explains that he has followed orders."
9. Replace 'As he becomes overwhelmed with emotion,' with "As Olivia tries to reason with Nick, he becomes annoyed and"
10. After 'by Walter and Peter.', add "Nick repeats his request to have Olive shoot him."
- ACT V
1. Replace 'regain control ... side of the building' with "collapse and then "wake up"."
2. Replace the 2nd paragraph with "In a sterile hallway, Broyles explains that Massive Dynamic is not being very forthcoming. Nina Sharp claims that the names of the children that were treated with Cortexiphan have been deleted from the records. They look through a window and see Nick Lane lying on a bed being kept in a drug-induced coma indefinitely. Broyles wonders why Olivia has no memory of the Cortexiphan trials but Nick does."
3. Replace the 3rd paragraph with "Olivia arrives home to find Ella sleeping on the couch. As she puts Ella to bed, Ella claims that what was put in her (immunization virus) is alive. Charlie arrives, tells Olivia he is breaking about a thousand regulations and hands Olivia the file of clippings from Nick Lane's apartment."
- Unanswered Questions
Given the number of questions added, could this section be reorganized?
Nick Lane
- At dinner in the restaurant, why didn't the husband appear to be affected by Nick Lane?
- After picking up his gun, did Nick Lane sense someone coming to his apartment?
- Who is the partially revealed face above the 'Government Funds Secret Drug Trials' article?
- Where/what is the facility Nick Lane is being kept - and who runs the facility?
The 'Olive' Video
- Whom did the female voice belong to on the videotape?
- What caused the damage to young Olivia's room as seen on Walter's videotape?
- Was the scar on Lane's face a result of Olivia's incident as a child?
- Why was "Brenner" missing in the closing scene on the video cassette tape?
-- Did the taped incident generate a "soft spot" into an alternate universe, and Brenner's destination?
Cortexiphan Children
- Can Nick Lane's description be used to identify these children?
-- Is someone using the characteristics to find them?
- Why were three year old children made to forget the experiments? By whom?
- What are the consequences of Walter disagreeing with the experiments?
-- Was he made to forget, like the children were?
-- Was he also framed for the fire so he would be committed to St. Claires, and out of the way?
Olivia
- Why did Nick Lane, as well as Walter (in the video), call Olivia 'Olive'?
- When Olivia referred to Rachel dating two men, was she referring to current events?
-- Who are the men?
-- Is Peter one?
- Who's the man moaning in Olivia's apartment at the end of the episode?
Walter
- Why does Walter not use a project and experiment number in his notes about the bad dreams?
- Where does the modern looking hypnotic state machine come from?
-- Is the machine based on the flashing light technology discoverd in 'The Equation'?
-- Why isn't Walter using his usual drug cocktail?
Other
- Why is Boston morning news reporting on delays to the morning commute in New York?
- What type of vaccinations did Ella receive?
PS. Thanks for patching up my corrections on "Midnight". Let me know if you have a key tip (or two) that would dramatically improve what I am doing. TIA
--wwahl11 2010.Jan.11 22h45 (EDT)
