Talk:Earthling

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Contents 1 Act I 2 Previously 3 Continuity Error 4 Numbers In Recurring Theme? 5 The "CIA Man" 6 Aleks & His Names 7 Cosmonauts "Coffin" 8 Trivia

Act I

Aren't you forgetting the part when someone was making the same moves as Broyles? SamWeissRocks! 12:33, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Previously

In Dream Logic, we saw the Challenger poster in Peter's dream. I think that is the episode clue for Earthling. Xerophytes 09:20, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
There's also the book of Vince Flynn in the table. This is the scene where Peter woke up from his dream while Walter staring at him. Vince Flynn's work centers on CIA counter-terrorism. Xerophytes 08:24, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

- I agree that the poster is probably the most obvious clue for Earthling. But has there ever been more than one "Next Episode Clue"? I ask because another possible clue is the logo on the hospital: W+ hinting to the batteries used to shock the cosmonaut? (W is the abriaviation for Watt and of course there is a + on every battery) dkc 568 12 November 2009 File:206WPlus.jpg|border|right|200px|Hospital Logo "W+"

- According to the creative staff at Fringe, the NEC will never be just an image. It will be a word, word-play or symbols. So I think just an image of the shuttle falls below the threshold they say they'll use. And "W" is also the symbol for Tungsten - the metal with the highest melting point (3000F degrees). That may link to Walter's story about firelogs burning so hot their ashes retain the shape of the log.... –DocH– my edits 00:29, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

- There is in fact a reference to space in the document that Astrid gives Peter at the beginning of the episode. The following text is printed at the bottom of the page: (for additional space-use form 600R). This could be the clue. By the way, 600R is an Airbus 300 model - --LabGo 01:03, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

- Hmm? All I can say is there is more than one of everything. LOL. Xerophytes 06:53, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

- Funny... still, with the Shuttle, it was a "That" episode clue, versus a "Next" episode clue. I don't think they would double task an easter egg like that. –DocH– my edits 08:33, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

- How would you resolve this issue? Haha. But for me, I think all of them are valid as a next-episode-clue. I guess, it's up to the "admin" of the fringepedia to decide on that. Xerophytes 10:42, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

- Up to now I think the most likely candidate is the word "space". DocH is right about the "that" episode clue for the poster. Usually the NEC is not so noticeable. In this case the poster is right in the forefront of the story, being the indicator that we are in the alternate universe. As for the W+, I find the link is too remote and what it links to (i.e. batteries) is not so important in the next episode story. --LabGo 11:40, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

- So is the "No Smoking" the NEC? For me, it looks like a long shot as No Smoking sign can be seen in many places. Not unless the poster got something special to indicate intentional. - Xerophytes 07:19, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

- There is no hurry to get an answer. It only has to be correct, not quick. We may have to wait until the S2 DVD set comes out in 10 months before we know. –DocH– my edits 09:26, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

- I have no idea if this has been settled, but at least a final answer hasn't been given here, nor could I find it elsewhere on the intertubes. Was just rewatching some episodes from the ol' DVR and noticed that in "Dream Logic" when Peter was picking up the apple while talking to Walter, the hand-written signs below the apples read "REDUCED ITEM" which may reference the fact that the victims in Earthling were "reduced" to their elemental components. Physcher 11:18, 16 November 2010 (MST)

- In "Dream Logic", when the Fringe team is in the Seattle hospital visiting the first victim, Greg Leiter, there is a poster on the wall that reads "Don't spread it around". The exact same poster is in the Latchmere Hospital when Broyles and Dunham and the FBI take over, at about the 13 minute mark. It's also seen again around the 23 minute mark behind a nurse.--Dutchrub 23:16, 16 December 2010 (MST)]

- Another small detail: the W+ may refer to the weak force boson that is a fundamental particle in the radioactive decay --Bonfo 01:45, 22 February 2011 (MST)

- Small? I think you nailed it. I just read through weak boson, weak universe, weak interaction and positron emission on Wikipedia and that "string" theory science fits the cosmonauts condition almost exactly. Sounds like a winner. –DocH– my edits 02:13, 22 February 2011 (MST)

Continuity Error

Check the scene (in the park) where Broyles stood up to say goodbye to the Senator. There's like continuity error with the bike in the background. Xerophytes 08:25, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

- You're a registered editor. Please post that to the episode page.--Jim 14:07, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

- Okay, so I'm one step behind. We need to encourage our editors to get down into the mud.--Jim 14:09, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

- Okay, sorry about that, didn't know. Promise to do it when I can. Xerophytes 15:15, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

- No. Actually your input was good. Jim not so much so. When you said "check the scene" - I understood that as "please verify." The talk page is thee perfect page to develop a consensus, if one is uncertain. I had not detected the continuity concern, but it was easily verified. Better to have an input confirmed on a back page, than to be incorrectly entered on the content page. –DocH– my edits 04:10, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

- No it's not a good for editors other than sysops to have to submit their observations for approval. This is a wiki site and all editors, short of misconduct, are welcome to edit equally.--Jim 14:14, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

- I never said anything about having to "submit for approval"... I said uncertainty and verification... which was the way I read the top sentence here. Totally agree on the 'edit equally' comment. –DocH– my edits 22:35, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Numbers In Recurring Theme?

I'm not sure on this, do you guys think we should put the numbers 47 and 8 in the recurring theme or not? Apparently, these numbers appear often in the show. Well, 47 I think is because of Abram's number. But the 8 seems to be popping up frequently this season. Xerophytes 10:45, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

- I know 47 is mentioned by the producers as a deliberate recur item... I don't know that it is a "Theme" until we know "what" it is. I would total support a separate page in the "Mysteries" portal for "47" or "Numbers". I have seen the entire LOST numbers a few times in the first 27 episodes, except 108 is not there. –DocH– my edits 15:32, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

The "CIA Man"

In the interview of Jon Cassar by The Fringe Podcast, he mentioned that the man who talked to Broyles at the end of the episode doesn't have a name and they actually call him the "Mystery Man". I wonder if we could place this in the production notes? Or at least change the name in the page since it's mentioned by the director, that is an accurate information. -Xerophytes 11:57, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

- Production Notes would be best. Someday we may get a name for the guy. If I heard someone say mystery man, talking about Earthling, I would guess the cosmonaut is more of a mystery than the CIA guy. But, then again, most of the folks on the show are 'mysteries'. –DocH– my edits 12:58, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Aleks & His Names

In the episode in Timur's hotel room Timur calls his brother Aleks "Sashok", "Aleksey", "Lyon'ka". In russian language these are different names - Lyon'ka corresponds to Leonid, Sashok - to Alexander which shouldn't be confused with Alexey, although they sound a bit similar. Despite this there are no such full or official Russian name as Aleks. It's very strange because Yaroslav Poverlo (who plays Timur) seems to be from Russia or very close so he could've bring attention and give some advices about this discrepancy. --Dimonium 22:46, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

- Quick question? Have you seen the episode or read the FPedia episode article here. First - - - Yaroslav Poverlo plays Aleks Vasiliev (the cosmonaut), not Timur Vasiliev - Ravil Isyanov plays Timur Vasiliev (caring nurse-bro). Second, the name of the cosmonaut "Aleks Ivanovich Vasiliev" came directly from the episode screencapture where they showed that SPECIFIC NAME PRINTED in the OFFICIAL FILE that AGENT BROYLES had. It doesn't get more "pedia fact" than when they show the FULL NAME of the COSMONAUT character ON-SCREEN. I'm just saying... –DocH– my edits

- Yep, read and watched, but it's my mistake that i've confused two actors, sorry. But still Ravil Izyanov is from Russia too :) What I'm saying is: in real life if you were born in Russia in Soviet times it's VERY unusual that your name will be Aleks. But OK, let's assume that his real name was, for example, Alexander and he's called Aleks for some kinda of comfort. But it still gives Timur no right to refer to him as "Aleksey" or "Lyon'ka". Because if your name is Frank nobody will call you "Jonn" or "Daniel" but it's exactly what Timur is doing :) Remember, Aleks is Timur's own brother so Timur must know his name very well. So it's a production error. And if you'll ask, from where did I get these names - all they are transcribed as "Aleks" in subtitles, but if you'll try to listen Timur's russian speech you'll hear no "Aleks" at all.--Dimonium 12:45, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

- Damn! :) Have read the article again and found this fact in Trivia. Tonnes of my apologies, because I thought about it as a production error so I looked for it in Error section.--Dimonium 13:03, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Cosmonauts "Coffin"

I don't know if this information needs to be used, but I was able to get a Ukrainian friend of mine to translate the words on the lead box. He said they say, "Property of the Russian Federation". If anything, we could just throw it in with the image as a caption. Thoughts? --   The Atomic Mystro    talk    contribs   03:11, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

- You apparently missed the caption (alt-text). Place your cursor (mouseover) on the image and you will see the original and English translation. I dropped the word "Russian" because I believe it was implied by the Cyrillic. I will add the word Russian back in, for you. No Ukraine friends for me (yet), but it took about two seconds for Google/Yahoo to translate it... once I re-configured my keyboard to type Cyrillic (2 mins). -- –DocH– my edits 17:58, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Trivia

The hospital interior is where the X-Files pilot and X-Files: I Want to Believe was shot. --—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cinderlini (talk • contribs) .

Good catch. thanx. –DocH– my edits 00:17, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Got a better look inside this hospital in Smallville episode "Abandoned", as the orphanage that Tess Mercer went to. They used a lot of shadows and black and white filming. Made it seem creepier than it already is. --Xindilini 10:39, 19 November 2010 (MST)