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Contents 1 Update w/ Deciphered Code 2 The Same Old Story Glyphs 3 Missing Glyphs 4 Season 2 Contribution 5 Pre Season 3 Change 6 Important Update on Glyphs? 7 Message from the "Other Side? 8 Opening Sequence

Update w/ Deciphered Code

I updated the glyphs but I don't have CHILD for The Same Old Story but BRELD (will have to check again). For The Ghost Network I have the 4 letters AEGR, which according to one internet site actually stands for Army Embedded Global Positioning System Receiver (?) and is therefore consistent with the episode.--LabGo 06:23, 11 April 2009 (UTC) Are there any thoughts on what the heck "BRELD" could mean? I'm leaning towards another error, like SURGG. Maybe it was intended as "BREED"? That would be vaguely in keeping with the episode.Elakazal 05:23, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

• One theory I had is that the glyphs can be assigned to letters in both directions (A to Z and Z to A), actually giving a choice of two letters for each glyph. Interestingly, this allows you to change the two first letters in BRELD, BR for YI, giving the word YIELD, which is not inconsistent with this episode where rapid growth is brought about by an increase in the yield of specific biochemical reactions. But what I would like to hear is how people were able to get CHILD from these glyphs. --LabGo 13:15, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
  • It may also be a way to show random mutation in the code, the same as would happen in the genetic code. This would be consistent with the spirit of the show. So from time to time a letter would be changed for another randomly or would disappear completely. --LabGo 13:32, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
  • I Googled "BRELD", and got a rather interesting hit. The first (and only) item Google came up with was a "waypoint map": www.fallingrain.com/waypoint/US/BRELD.html which conforms to the coast directly off of Washington D.C., (The map isn't labeled, but I matched it up on Google Earth, and it's atleast very close.). The site also mentions various airlines (Cape Air, American, Delta, etc.), and 'planes, flying, airports' etc. seems like atleast a minor theme for the show ('Pilot', Nina's phobia, etc.). I don't know enough about the map, or the odd site it was on, to speculate on it's significance, but the relation to D.C.--whatever it might indicate--seems meaningful enough to mention. --User:SirHoneyBadger 23:20 est, 1 June 2011.

The Same Old Story Glyphs

I changed again CHILD to BRELD. It does not make sense but these are the glyphs that were shown in this episode. I have the recording here and I double checked 3 times. Does anyone have a different version with the glyphs showing CHILD? I also have only 4 glyphs showing on my recording for the next episode: AEGR. Does anyone actually have the 5 glyphs showing (may be there was a problem with my reception at that point?) --LabGo 03:07, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

• Doesn't Hulu or the full episodes on fox.com show the glyphs? I can't verify that because I am in Canada, but I were in the United States, I would check there. --Moo 21:19, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

- No, I checked it is BRELD. It doesn't have to make sense. None of them do because none are in context. BRELD can be a mnemonic like the ones Walter has been spewing out lately, or an acronym. AEGR too, obviously. Maybe they related to the Lab Notes for that show. Or you have to put them in chrono order, aligned with the Project#/Exploration#, to form a sentence. Maybe, you take all the ones that don't APPARENTLY spell a word, then make an anagram with them. It is too early in the series to say CANNOT be BRELD - there is no context for any of it. –DocH– my edits 22:44, 15 April 2009 (UTC) (Lock the page once it says BRELD)

- Thank you DocH. I fully agree with you.--LabGo 22:46, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

- AGER could be rearrenged into RAGE, but here: fringepedia.net/wiki/Glyphs_code it's spelled AEGER, wich could be rearrenged into EAGER, since this episode is in my other hd, I can't check it now, but will later and will post here, or someone else could do it faster. --Acidpink 23:11, 9 August 2011 (MST)

- These are not Anagrams. "rearrenging" them means nothing. –DocH– my edits 13:18, 12 August 2011 (MST)

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Missing Glyphs

I mentioned a few weeks ago, that recently they showed a hand in a vertical position (not angled). –DocH– my edits

• Yes I recall this. There is also the question of yellow dots which may not appear in the same place around the glyph. Personally I don't think that these differences are significant as far as the code goes but I may be totally wrong. I still favour the 10 glyphs being matched to numbers 0-9 as the first step. Actually you can perhaps guess some associations based on the glyph itself: 0: smoke ring; 1:frog with roman numeral one; 2: twins in apple; 3: triangle on leaf; 6 and 9: right hand and left hand with 6 fingers - 6 and 9 are mirror images; 4: four modified petals on flower; 5: butterfly with five "fingers" in each wing; 8:design in sea horse; 7:horn?.--LabGo 18:11, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

- Only thing I can come-up with for moving the golden dot around the logo is that something good/positive occurred, or that bad/evil/negative things happened in that segment.

–DocH– my edits

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If you group them in rows having 6-6-6-8 glyphs, respectively, it's easy to see how the substitution cypher was made:

• The upper left corner (2x2) is the leaf
• The remaining four from the first row - the apple.
• The remaining four from the second row - the flower.
• First pair from the third row - the seahorse.
• Second pair from the third row - the butterfly.
• Third pair from the third row - the frog.
• The last eight are mirrors of each other (S-Z, T-Y, U-X, V-W).
  

So, here is my educated guess for the ones that haven't been introduced yet:

• F - apple, yellow dot in the down-right corner
• J - flower, yellow dot in upper-right corner.
• M - seahorse, yellow dot on the left.
• Q - frog, yellow dot on the left.
• X - hand, the mirror image of U-glyph.
• Z - hand, the mirror image of S-glyph.

--Steff 16:26, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

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More Likely Mirrors
I think that most of the missing glyphs will actually be mirrors of others. The only glyphs so far that do not follow this pattern are the apples. The mirror pairs so far are:

• A - B
• G - H
• K - L
• O - P
• S - U
• T - Y
• V - W

So, here is what I think:

• J - Mirror of I. Evidence for this is that K and L are actually mirrors. Note that the position of the wing is in a different place as compared to the others. It makes more sense that J will be a mirror of I rather than just I with the dot moved.
• M - Mirror of N. Evidence for this is that O and P are actually mirrors. Look very closely at the glyphs and you will see this.
• Q - Mirror of R. Same reasoning as for M.
• X - Hand the same as V but rotated to the right. This is a guess based on the pattern of the bottom row. Note that it cannot be the mirror of U as Steff guesses because the mirror of U is already used for the S.
• Z - Mirror of X, whatever X ends up being.

--HazyMyst 18:54, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

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- Switched J, M & Q. Added X & Z. Is this what you envision? –DocH– my edits 20:55, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes! Those look perfect. Great job on the hand. --HazyMyst 15:35, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

- Good call on the M update HMyst... hope we get the rest soon.. (this season?) –DocH– my edits 04:19, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

-- It looks like the guesses were correct. The Fox website is showing the same glyphs on their "Official" key: http://fringe.community.fox.com/go/thread/view/101033/26013101/Fringe_Alphabet_Glyphs?sdb=1 -- Dennis  Talk  Contribs  22:32, 7 October 2010 (MST)

- That is a FOX sanctioned blog - nothing there about the show is officially from FOX. The bloggers can post whatever they want to, and it can be wrong.

- But the "official" key is directly linked to from the Fox.com/fringe/sprint/#type:typewritten page, with the "Need help? Break the Code" link. I don't think they would link to an incorrect key... -- Dennis  Talk  Contribs  23:02, 25 February 2011 (MST)

• Considering that the hands have 6 fingers in stead of 5: Is it possible that the dots may conform to the hand positions of a clock, and/or that they relate to a "base 12" numbering system, instead of the "ten fingers/base 10" system we use? This might also relate somehow to the Observers, in that there are 12 months in a year, which coincides with their naming scheme. Pure speculation, as I haven't checked this out at all yet, but I also wonder if the position of the dots doesn't somehow relate to the occurrance of the observer/observers in that given episode? --User:SirHoneyBadger 23:42 est, 1 June 2011.

Season 2 Contribution

I put down glyphs code for season 2 ep 1. yay! :D —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ignachile (talk • contribs) .

Pre Season 3 Change

I just watched the two hour special review event today (9/16) and the words were different! The two parts of Over There were combined into one word: REPATTERNED. Felderburg 03:12, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Important Update on Glyphs?

Hello, excuse me if I'm wrong here but I am quite sure that the Glyphs for X and Z are the horn. http://fringepedia.net/wiki/Case_0091 it would make so much sense if the last glyph was the last 2 letters, as the Q is quite obvious. --Dragonfly-Spamfather 04:46, 9 November 2010 (MST)

- Makes no sense to me. The horn has always been associated with the Fibonacci Sequence, not the commercial breaks glyphs. Reasonable consensus has given us the 'potential' solution posted on the glyph chart. -- –DocH– my edits 11:27, 9 November 2010 (MST)

Message from the "Other Side?

I am new to show and this may be common knowledge so please excuse if so... I found hidden items in Subject 13 episode when Elizabeth was looking through the window in the daycare, and cannot find any information on the meaning of them. 1. The final glyph in previous episode had a yellow heart instead of a dot. 2. In Subject 13, a lady was wearing a heart in act two?? I am not sure what act it was exactly, but I remember it was the scene where Walter was trying to get the blond girl to "cross over" by making her mad, scaring her, etc. It was a brief glimpse only and it was a gold "heart shaped" piece of jewelry that had the same "shape" that is inside the center of the flower. I ant remember what to call the shape, but it is described well in the high resolution glyph code page on this website. It is a mathematical curiosity of some sort. 3. Act 2 ended with a flower glyph. 4. Elizabeth and Peter entered the daycare in Act 3 and there were flowers everywhere amidst other glyph mimicks. 5. Shortly after, there is a scene that begins with a closeup of big flowers on a wall and then pans into the room where Elizabeth was. 6. A lady walks in holding up a "distracting" package of M & M's wearing that same heart shaped piece of jewelry on her left side of her jacket. 7. Elizabeth went to look for Peter and picked up a notebook and almost seemed to point at a single flower left on torn page. 8. She then walkedmdown the hall where a trash can was on the right with a very small Horn glyph on the front. 9. She then stares through a window on a metal door with a "wooden pane" which caught my attention. 10. I wasn't sure what that was so i paused the action, and there are hidden items in the window before the light occurs and the switch to the "other side." 11. There is for sure a video camera with tripod stand and maybe a table to the left of it as well with maybe something on top of it. 12. There are also vague "square" opaque areas... about 3 or 4 of them with uncertain lighted shapes. One of the boxes reminded me of a sailboat in a "negative image" way but capsized. Only reason I probably thought so was that I saw boats in the room on the other side. This is proabably just my imagination though, but thought it may mean something to someone else. At any rate the opaque square regions are strange. 13. I went to the Fringe website and lloked under the "Extras" tab and it took me to a page where it said " Go deeper inside the world of fringe - decipher exclusive secret messages from the "other side." 14. I then rewound the episode to where I had seen the other heart... to look for another message. I saw a video camera and stand like the one in the window and somewhere in this area there was a close up of a video tape which Walter was inserting and he said somthing like "See if you cna see something I missed... or similar words to same effect as that." 15. The room is full of "curious charts" on the wall that may help in some way. I was reading how the glyphs code was broken and that the code breaking author suggested there might be a "higher order" code in the glyphs relative to the yellow dots. 16. I went back and watched the episode again and couldn't decide how to document the location of the dots on the glyphs so I just used a "clock" method and designated them with numbers (hours). 17. Out of curiosity, I watched the clocks on the wall in that video room and, although somewhat obscure, it seemed like the clock on the wall had the hour hand about 10 oclock, which was the position I had "recorded" for the yellow dot on the flower at the end of act 2. This is "reaching" but perhaps interesting. 18. Additionally, the room is full of "circles" with spinning hands that point to colors, which is also interesting. I felt that some clue was here as I noticed the horn glyph has the pi number on it... which was observed on the trash can just befor the window to the other side. I also read about the horn glyph on the high resolution glyph page, and discovered that the show has never used this glyph at the end of an act, and that it has only been seen once in the three seasons. 19. I plan to try again to solve the room puzzle with the additional information I have found, and wanted to get someone else's input for help. I found the following information somewhere in the fringe pedia website: A. There is a sequence of collors that recurs which is green/green/green/red. Maybe the circles with spinning hands or something else in the room has this color sequence. I do remember vaguely that there were rubics cubes and one was all green facing our viewpoint. B. Also, I saw somewhere else where someone saw a minut seahorse hidden on a book in the 6955Hz episode in Markham's library. If I can access this video I plan to see what the preceding glyph for the act was noting the yellow dot location, and then go from there waiting for clocks, color sequences and glimpses from the other side. C. Also i noticed that I saw a 21 on the previous episode 6B and then there was a 22 in episode Subject 13. I have only watched these two, and am wondering why they are counting up like this. The numbers were on something in each episode but I cant remember where I saw them. I should have never started down this road... as I can see from this website that this activity is clearly addictive in nature. Impressive website. Oh yeah, be careful about looking at the yellow dots on the code page. Example: the dot is in a 10 oclock position for the leaf on act 6 for Subject 13 instead of wherever it is located on the code page. I dont know how many other dots may be in the wtong location if there is someone clever enough to figure out exactly how to use them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Todd (talk • contribs) . 1 Mar 2011

Opening Sequence

Did someone ever try to make sence out of the Glyphs shown in the opening sequence? There are 5 or 6 Glyphs, some with and some without a dot.

• Butterfly without dot: P/O
• Seahorse looking to the right (with dot): N
• Frog with dot on the right: R
• Flower with dark leaf on the top right position without dot: I/L
• [Hand with thumb on the right rotating: U]
• Hand with thumb on the right upright: W —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MerJunr (talk • contribs) .