Talk:Night Of Desirable Objects

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Contents 1 Fishing Lure 2 British jazz/pop from 1987 3 Possible Error? 4 Charlie and the Shape Changer 5 Dr. House

Fishing Lure

I can find no reference in the real-world to a fishing lure called "Night of Desirable Objects." I know lures have some weird names, but has anyone found any real-world lure by this name? --Evil Joe 14:46, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

- Maybe the changing glove (below) is a metaphor for the lure... that's how he (Baby Boy Hughes) snags his catch, desireable, shifting bait. –DocH– my edits

British jazz/pop from 1987

There's an album from 1986 called "Night Of Desirable Objects" by a British jazz/blues guitarist named Philip Charles Lithman who went by the nickname/stage name of "Snakefinger". I don't know a lot about this performer. From the web, it seems he died in 1987, on the very same day a song called 'There's No Justice In Life' was released as a single off of the album "Night Of Desirable Objects" -- nothing stands out in the episode as being a 'shout-out' to him, but the name is so similar it may be an obscure reference, not yet caught. Plus, I think it makes for interesting eppy trivia. --HarveyMidnight 16:57, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

- That sounds like fairly solid General Trivia to me. I'll run it up. –DocH– my edits 17:46, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Possible Error?

In the opening scene, the glove seems to keep changing how buried it is with each scene cut. Then the hand that grabs Raymond seems to be on top of the glove before it grabs him. Is this an error? Or can we chock it up to camera POV on the glove or another plausible reason? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Evil Joe (talk • contribs) .

- My read. Not a blue glove, but the creatures hand covered in the paralytic blue toxin. I would say most is POV and be may be poor editing combined with multiple takes. But even if it is moving (sublty perceived)... isn't that aligned with the title - a VERY effective, QUITE irresistable LURE. Is the hand a metaphor(?) for the lure? or vice versa? What I want to know is why this guy goes trodding out into the field, at quitting time on Friday night, with a buddy waiting? Was there a psychic draw? Did he smell something? (or pheromones?) Hear something? Because he sure didn't see the blue hand from that far away, thru the (Field of Dreams) corn rows. –DocH– my edits 19:03, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

- Blue glove was, I think, my early input and was a SWAG. Raymond crossed the road to get his thermos and gloves and saw grass waving in an unusual manner, possibly caused by "junior" being above the surface. Junior saw a potential meal and ducked back under the surface, leaving his extended hand as a lure (I like the reference, Doc).--Jim 19:50, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

- I can see the glove idea initially, but just before the grab... it seemed as if around the hand was a fluidic pool (up thru the ground comes a bubblin' blue crude... toxin that is... paralytic discharge). I had to think about the 'vacuum' bottle/container too. Of course, Thermos is a name-brand! Can't use that. Gloves, thermos... he also had protective goggles sitting there. Disregard the Field of Dreams ref... I meant Field of Screams. [;^) –DocH– my edits 03:15, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

- A company named Thermos makes vacuum bottles. Along came Aladdin, who produced a "thermos bottle." Thermos sued. The judge said, "The word is generic." I guess we can use "thermos."

- Good catch on construction vs road.--Jim 16:21, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

- We saw the crew ON the road. Drainage/sewage pipes. Flatbed. POV trucks. Front-loader. They could be Water/Sewer guys working off the side of the road. Could be supporting a farmer. Could be supporting the railroad... running standing water away from the tracks/intersection. Still, we didn't even a see a trencher to get those pipes down deep where they are supposed to be. I guess the budget cuts for the Fringe move to Canada were pretty severe. They can't even afford to tickle our senses with Lab Note's from Walter anymore... a sad day indeed. –DocH– my edits 17:21, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Charlie and the Shape Changer

How are we going to refer to the character who appears to be Charlie Francis? The end of the action in ep 201 was fairly simple. In this episode we have an early reference to Charlie, but that's not quite right, because it's not Charlie. We can use [[Shape Changer|Charlie Francis]] or [[Shape Changer|apparent Charlie Francis]]. This guy needs a name for when others in the scene think he's Charlie.--Jim 21:22, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

- And to make things more confusing we will probably see Charlie from the other universe again... Actually I would refer directly to the Shape Changer in the text: something like Shape Changer (as Charlie). Same for the transcripts. --LabGo 22:16, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

- I wouldn't overthink this one too much, ANYONE who reads the transcripts or the content pages, knows that Charlie is on the outs... plus you guys don't know if the REAL Charlie won or lost the battle with the Shape Changer. The device was broken... maybe evil got forced into the real Charlie, and the Changer just plain ran out of steam - got beat during the transition by real Charlie. You can't assume... they did not shows us - I am guessing - for a reason. –DocH– my edits 22:34, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

- I would say the reason is that they showed us one such "transfer" at the beginning of the episode so they did not want to lose precious minutes showing it again with the nurse and with Charlie... and it allowed them to surprise us. I think using Charlie is more confusing, particularly when he is already identified as a dead character. --LabGo 22:49, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Okay. So - it is complex alter-Charlie naming after all. But does it get a wiki-link to the page every time it used? I count a half dozen, or so on 202. Most characters get 1 or 2 - the first time used, then near the bottom? –DocH– my edits

- I agree. There is no need to have more links than we have with other characters.--LabGo 23:27, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

- Guilty to all charges and specifications. I overdid the links.--Jim 23:44, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Dr. House

Not of extreme importance, but this episode recently aired again in Poland and I noted a possible addition to the cultural references section. Did anyone view Olivia wobbling on a cane and the diagnosis of lupus for Hughes's dead wife as a reference to House, a fellow FOX show?

- People hurt their leg and they use a cane. Lupus is a disease and was a vehicle to match the mole-rat-boy with the fathers science expertise. No apparent link to House there. FOX is the US distributor and not associated with the 'creation' of either show. So no, not a cultural reference, unless they specifically come out and say "we were honoring House". –DocH– my edits 22:37, 3 March 2010 (UTC)