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Opening Credits
On the Season 1 DVD, I was rewinding through the opening credits when I noticed that, just as the sequence showing the text "Psychokinesis, Dark Matter, and Transmogrification" with the grassy background is coming up, the text "observers are here" appears to be scratched into a frame or two. I cannot get the DVD player to stop on the correct frame, but I am convinced it is there. Should this be mentioned here?
- --wwahl11 2010.Jan.07 20h30(EDT)
- - We have used it since the start of season 1. It is our motto on the Main Page and we have it. It is a subliminal (trivial) marketing trick in the opening splash between Prologue and Act I and says nothing about the story or the characters. So it was removed (for lack of relevance) once we had more substantial content to report on. -- –DocH– my edits 03:34, 8 January 2010 (UTC) (ps: almost every Fringe-related blog on the planet reported this more than 16 months ago. either you are way behind - or sandbagging)
- - I'm way behind. Just pouring through the DVD trying to fathom where Abrams may be going. Finding lots of red herrings. Thanks for the info.
- --wwahl11 2010.Jan.07 24h00 (EDT)
Random Theory on Observers
Okay, so, you'll notice how it seems like every Observer we've met so far has been named after months. Well, you'll also notice that December is obviously the eldest one, while July appears to be the youngest. My theory is that, The Observers are named by their age. In other words, January will be the youngest (perhaps the child from "Inner Child"), and December is the oldest of them all. Just a theory I had, and I was wondering what everyone else thought...—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Heckman42 (talk • contribs) .
- - 1) Sign your comments. 2) The Inner Child angle is covered on the content page. 3) The THEORY page (hint: header bar above) has a section already on is/are/were twelve Observers. You might want to add your (not so random) theory under that header. i.e. Observers named according to seniority. –DocH– my edits 16:10, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Oops! My bad... sorry, I'm still new here... :/ --Heckman42 16:38, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Origins of the Observers
I believe that The Observers are the natural progression of autism. It has been noted that there is an increasing level of people with autism in western society, though that may be just caused by better testing for it. Anyway, their behavior fits in with many traits that autistic people demonstrate. "Dr. Jaak Panksepp of Bowling Green University, one of the leading investigators into the effects of naltrexone on lessening the symptoms of autism, feels that those individuals who cry rarely, lack pain sensitivity, and enjoy eating hot and spicy food may benefit most from naltrexone." There are other cases of autistic people liking spicy food, some on the internet, and me, for example. Also, "Reduced pain sensitivity is widely reported to be a common feature of children with autism." and flat and blunted affect in autism and shallow affect in psychopathy. That means that autistic individuals can tend to like spicy foods, have a reduced feeling of pain, and that they tend of have a limited, or blunted affect, expression of emotions. That seems all too familiar to a group of people we all know of in Fringe, and if taken as a form of evolution, it makes sense. --WilliamC 16:22, 20 May 2012 (MST)
- - That makes no sense. Have you travelled the world? Spicy food is the standard. Asia. Central and South America. Africa. Equating one or two bald guys ordering a plate of jalepenos with the rise of autism in western society is an absurd extrapolation. If the time period indicated, 2600 +/- a few years is correct, and the planet is 'shutting-down' for business as stated, it seems that exotic food prep would be the first victim (soylent green?). "Real food" may be one of the few perks of time-travelling... you load up on the good cuisine while you can. And autism, the group of time explorers with code names of months seems more like a small band of highly-trained operatives - like special forces. Emotionlessness makes acting, or Observing, easier. September and August seem to have failed at the discipline on occasion. As for the hundreds of their bald counterparts we saw in ep-419, ala 2036, they don't seem to have any emotionlessness. They be chasing the ladies, getting in bar fights... putting out hits on natives... look at Windmark - ruthless, conniving, manipulative! The exact opposite of autistic. -- –DocH– my edits
- - You can never be truly be emotionless. Also, I do not know what to make of that one episode, it was a red herring, though I suppose it was a preview of what to expect in the next season. Shame they don't seem to run new shows during the summer, except on cable. I'm just firing off my own idea on the matter. Many opinions on the nature of the Observers were turned on its head this season, what confuses me is how they expect to take over our word, maybe it's the other dimension for all I know, while not causing a change in their own timeline unless they come from a world independent from the timeline they are affecting. --WilliamC 21:06, 20 May 2012 (MST)
Observers In The TV Shows
I own season one and I have seen Observers lurking around in the beginning of some of the episodes but never mentioned or shown again after that. Should that be mentioned? Irunongames 19:34, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
- - Yeah, well we already have two whole pages dedicated to those sightings. We don't need to add more to Observer Appearance & The Observer -- –DocH– my edits 21:04, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
First People
It goes without saying that the alternate universe has most likely observed the Observer(s) while observing over there (phew!). Could they be what is referred to as the "First People"? The Observers do seem to be like "proto-people" - they need sustenance (spicy sustenance, at that), yet are emotionless - but some have begun to develop emotions! Could they be one of the first beings to cross universes, and therefore are referred to as the "First People"? --Aswvwl21 02:48, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
- - I like that you applied "first people" to the Observers and not the alt-universe citizens. To me, the Observers seem more of a "last people". They focus keenly on events as those events are "making history". To us, those events are current affairs, but to the Observers those events seem historical - PLUS - they keep discussing the generation of new possible outcomes... and how to wrangle unexpected changes. Maybe they are from the future, and the mission they are on is to ensure that "their" history/future occurs 'someday'. Another thing I think they do is keep the two universes fairly close (team of horses) in advancement, instead of letting one universe zoom off on a separate tangent. Say alt-universe gets way ahead on technology... well then they smuggle some of it to this universe so we can catch-up - or they give us a viewing device to steal it ourselves. Maybe they are shepherds from the future intent on the survival of both universes. –DocH– my edits 18:47, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
- - I like that idea. Walter himself mentions that while he is responsible for the "end of the world," he has also mentioned that something primitive in everyone was "removed" at some time in history ("I suspect aliens."). Maybe this is the actual point in history where "Over Here" and "Over There" were split. The Observers are working to restore or maintain whatever that "removal" in history was. --Aswvwl21 00:21, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Randomish Theory
Okay so here's my theory, any input is welcome. I've heard the theory that the Observers are the first people. I've also read about them possibly being alien or some non human life form. I've also heard the theory of them being immortal. However, I was just reading the page on The Pattern and it mentions a quote from Broyles about The Pattern being "as if someone out there is experimenting, only the whole world is a lab" and that got me thinking. Maybe the Observers aren't any of these things, maybe they are the scientists and the universes are their experiments. That would explain why they are trying to make sure everything happens the way they believe it should and also might explain why certain observers are so attached to certain parts of their experiment. (August and his attachment Christine Hollis or The Observer and his attachment to the Bishops) This may not be a fully grounded theory, but what if the Observers were more like scientists and we are their experiment? What if the reason they are at Fringe related events and events related to The Pattern is because they are provoking them to happen like a scientist mixing chemicals or something? This could explain the reason why we seem to see time differently than they do. The only thing I'm not sure of is how that translates to them being in this universe if it is their experiment--Stars4losers 20:30, 8 May 2011 (MST)
Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle = Observers
In the first season dvd extras one of the writers (I forget which one) said something about the observers and the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. This is a key concept in quantum mechanics and I won't go into too much detail about it but essentially in means that by measuring (or observing) a property of an object or an event you effect it. It's kinda of like rolling a ball at another one in a dark room to see how far away it is. It hits the ball and rolls back to you. How long it took to roll back gives you an idea of it's location. But when the ball hit the other one it would cause it to move and would change the position of the ball. So by observing you have effected an object. It would make sense if the observers were a human embodiment of this principle. They are only supposed to observe events and not get involved, but by observing they have effected the course of events. They choose to observe only important events to ensure that the outcome is effected in the correct way, to ensure that it has the right out come. They essentially force a course of events to take place that could have chosen a different path had they not effected it by observing it. Sorry to any physicists I may have offended with that possibly botched description of the heisenberg uncertainty principle. I'm no expert just an interested high school student. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Observerϕ (talk • contribs) .
