Talk:Olivia Dunham

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Contents 1 Dunham's Nickname 2 More Headers 3 PRQs: 4 Father vs Stepfather

Dunham's Nickname

Did Charlie Francis call Dunham "Livie," "Libbie," or something else?--Jim 02:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Since "Livie" (or rather "Livvie") is the short for for Olivia, it would be safe to assume that's what he called her. Pierre 14:49, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

More Headers

I was wondering if it will be better if the page is broken down to more subcategories; ie Cortexiphan, Relationship, Family ? -- Xerophytes _{Talk | Contribs} 06:35, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

- My sense is that for a "specific" topic like Cortexiphan = No. It has its' own page already and doesn't need to "replay" under a character. As for a broad topic like "relationship" = Maybe. Most of that data is under "About" and "Background" already, by design, -- but -- if there becomes so much "relationship" data that it makes it easier to understand "the character" with a specific subheader, then maybe. hint: They are subheaders. Subcategories are somehting else. Labgo? -- –DocH– my edits 21:04, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

- I mean by Cortexiphan is how she got involved with the Cortexiphan and the effect of the Cortexiphan onto her, etc.? And maybe in the future, it will grow more as we understand how she is connected to the Cortexiphan. Under relationship, we can put in the working relationship (with Broyles and Walter), family relationship (her father, uncle?, mother?, Rachel and Ella), romantic relationship (Scott, Vogel and Peter), and other connection (Nina Sharp, William Bell, Sam Weiss). The current "about" and "background" is limited to Season 1 Olivia, I think now we finished the season 2, we can put more information about her. Thanks for clarifying about the difference between categories and headers. -- Xerophytes _{Talk | Contribs} 21:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

- yes, subheaders may become useful if more text is added. The "star" pages (Walter, Olivia, etc.) are quite lean given the amount of material that is available about these characters as they grow. --LabGo 00:32, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

- ok, will scribble down some text and have it organize and see what you guys think. -- Xerophytes _{Talk | Contribs} 09:45, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

PRQs:

Is Olivia pregnant with Peter's baby like her alternate? If not, will she become pregnant?

- Overcome By Events. Nobody was/is preggers. Peter and/or Frank and/or Lincoln are out of papa-picture. –DocH– my edits

How old is Olivia?

Inconsistent dialogue indicates she was born between 1977 and 1980. In Ability, Olivia states, "In 1981, I was three, living in Jacksonville, Florida." The year of birth would therefore be either 1977 or 1978 (as her birthday falls in mid-year: The Cure which occurred on her birthday aired 9/21, but the show's internal calendar does not necessarily match the air date). In The Road Not Taken she reiterates that the experiment was performed on 3-year olds. However, in Jacksonville, Walter sets the Florida Cortexiphan trials "twenty-six years ago", or 1983, and the files stored in Jacksonville are dated 1983. If she were three at that time, the year of birth would be 1979 or 1980. If the trials were in early 1983 and she had been born in the summer of 1978, she would have been four, which is still a normal age for pre-school. --jophan 00:34, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

- Check out This. Two years ago, this week, she was 29. That means she is 31. Is she almost 32, or just 31? (+/- 364 days). Walter had parts of his brain jumbled. If a 2 year test started in 81, did it end in 82 or 84? I think they are deliberately fuzzy on the specifics... not because the specifics are not important overall (year/month) - just because specific dates are not that key to the saga. I think when they tell us a particular date is when we need to sit up straight and listen. We may see it again. And when they give us a vague range, they are letting is slide. –DocH– my edits 02:42, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

- What's the source of that photo? Semi-canon source, I expect. The text is possibly contradicted by Olivia's Northwestern t-shirts in Inner Child and Dream Logic, though that may have been her law school. Apparently, in the original pilot script she was supposed to be 32; I expect they dropped that back based on casting, but it makes it tight (but not impossible) that she could have attended law school, completed a minimum officers' commitment in the Marines, and joined the FBI at least a year before the pilot. But a year here or there doesn't matter much. --jophan 21:20, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

- Def semi-canon. All from CCI 08 and the preview comic. All main characters listed. Follow the New Zealand link over the top of the individual links. All characters have been bookletted -- –DocH– my edits 23:22, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

- The definition I was looking at was on the Massive Dynamic page, which I believe states that promotional materials are not necessarily canon, only what appears within an episode is. --jophan 00:02, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

I totally greed with you when I said definitely semi-canon - maybe even non-canon. Try this profile for Olive.

1. Age 18-21. She was an enlisted Marine - JAG or NCIS technician.
2. Age 21-24. After discharge, she went to college at NC.
3. Age 25. After graduating with B.S. in psych & criminology, she attended and graduated from the FBI Academy.
4. Age 26-28. Junior Agent tour completed with nominal award to higher rank at end of the standard three year probationary period for Federal LEA's.
5. Age 29. Senior Agent with unique skills transfered to special multi-agency task force by former mentor, which happens in Pilot.
6. Age 31. Visits Alternate Universe. (also: Forgets Where She Parked Dirigible Airship. Wins Saturn Award For Best Female Television Actor Drama. Divorces Former Co-star. Begins Third Season On Popular TV Show.)

(notes) Northwestern is where Producer/Writer Pinkner and Producer/Director Chappelle went to college. Olivia never said she went to NW. She was just contrasting the fact that Peter had a college T on and had not earned it. Of course his T-shirt had the place he committed fraud against. Nothing suggests she went to law school (not rqd for FBI). Nothing says she was a USMC officer, she may have been one of Broyles top enlisted troops. I am a SME on this... I don't need to fudge a year here or there. -- –DocH– my edits 00:20, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

In Bound Harris said that Olivia had "prosecuted" him. I assumed that meant she was the attorney. However, I checked the Pilot transcript and she said she was a "special investigator", which does not require a law degree or, I believe, officer rank. So the timeline's not that bad. --jophan 22:37, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

- Usually only two attorneys from JAG in a court martial. Defense who advises the defendant directly, and Prosecuting who advise court-martial board chair (convening authority) directly. The board chair, not a lawyer, is the OIC and makes all of the calls. The JAG lawyer advises the panel. Sometimes a defendant will bring in a civilian lawyer, if there are criminal and/or civil liabilities in the non-military arena. Think NCIS. "Jethro" is an E-9, but he has the badge, and the authority of SecNav. –DocH– my edits 23:29, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Father vs Stepfather

I thought it was her stepfather that beat her, mailed her every birthday; and in one alternative universe, she shot & killed. Cziltang Brone 15:03, 7 May 2012 (MST)

- Same guy. Step fathers are fathers just like Biological fathers are fathers. The term is used interchangeably here, in her case, because there is only the one patriarch in her past and she doesn't always refer to him solely as her 'stepfather'. We've have never seen, or heard referenced, the Biofather. Oh. And Olivia has also referenced him as "My Dad" before. I can see where that might be confusing if you just now have started watching the show - at the end of Season 4. –DocH– my edits 19:17, 7 May 2012 (MST)