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Contents 1 Jones Coordinates 2 Time Machine 3 Wikipedia links 4 Co-Star 5 "Raul" Lugo 6 Grammar 7 Surveyors 8 Best Friend Continuity? 9 Hepea 10 Suggested Corrections 11 An Error in the Episode

Jones Coordinates

• 49.1112295N 8.9160920E - running these through satellite and imagery software, they land about 60 miles South of Frankfurt in a large lush field (perhaps the imaginary Wissenschaft Prison). Of course the actor who read the coordinates fumbled thru them. But the 7 decimel accuracy of the Lat/Long would explain why Jones would have to stand in the very tiny corner of cell in order to get teleported out. DocH

I can't hear the "8" at the beginning of 8.916... in the show. Can you? --Labgo 17:49, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

• I haven't listened yet, but 9.160920E is further east and still inside Germany.--Jim in Georgia 18:53, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

In the show the scene changes from Loeb talking on a radio to a scene with a Surveyor listening to the radio transmission. It seems to me that the first number is lost in the change of scene. All I hear is .9160920E. --Labgo 19:14, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

• 49.1112295N 0.9160920E lands at a spot betweeen Le Havre and Paris, France. I have no idea where that leads us. They'll tell us down the road or leave us dangling forever.--Jim in Georgia 19:25, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

- I just triple checked for you. Eyes closed. Full Speed, half speed, quarter speed... My digital audio picked it-up. It's not weak. It's just not as strong as the 'point' or the 'nine'. Eyes open - its right on the cut away from Chance Kelly... the "ay" in "eight" is literally the first micro second of the new camera shot. –DocH– 19:37, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

-Good. Thanks for checking.--Labgo 19:41, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

• Interesting how a line drawn from these coordinates to the approximate location of Little Hill Field (on the globe using GoogleEarth) crosses London, where Nina Sharp happens to be at the end of the episode. --Labgo 17:49, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
• Do both start points lead to a "stopover" in London or only one of them?--Jim in Georgia 18:53, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
• Now here is the bogus part - the 33.33 grad (gradient). Just over a 33 degree dive angle through the planet to get to Germany (180 gradient would take you straight thru to the direct opposite side I guess). So Jones never went past Nina, he went about 1500 miles beneath her. The bogus part - the light that spit him out should not have been straight-up... it should've been at about a 60 degree angle (I know - get a life –DocH–) 19:05, 7 December 2008 (UTC) --- mod the above comment- if the light was angled directly toward or away from the camera - it would appear to be vertical. –DocH– my edits 02:37, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
  • If we had lives, would we be here <grin>? Loeb pointed out to Jones that he (Jones) had to get to a decompression chamber. The pressure is very great 1500 miles deep into the earth...--Jim in Georgia 19:12, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
• In the Pattern page there is a reference to a man being suddenly transported from a store in London to a backyard in Baltimore. Is London a teletransportation hub? Interestingly a line drawn in Google Earth from Baltimore to London goes through Little Hill!--Labgo 18:13, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

- Well, Walter did mention an ample bosom from Baltimore too... and the execs at Bad Robot said there is no throw-away dialogue. If you are willing to accept the Google Earth - straight line hypothesis... let's continue it around the planet. At +/- 20 miles of centerline we have Jones prison cell, London, Little Hill Field near Westford, MA., Brooklyn (the beacon Arrival), Baltimore, WashDC., Jim in GA house, Atlanta, New Orleans, Mexico City. Maybe the Beacon is boring holes (emulsifying rock) so teleportation is an option. Opposite direction gets you close to Riyadh Saudi Arabia, Istanbul Turkey. –DocH– my edits 21:50, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Time Machine

This episode was pretty good up until the point where Walter revealed that he randomly invented a time machine that actually worked to cure his son's disease. Oh, but Peter got better so he just stopped working on it. That makes sense. I know Walter is crazy, but c'mon... that's crazy! On top of that, this time machine can cross space too. Oh you know what else? It can randomly grab a person out of anywhere at anytime, no preparation necessary by that person except for a new suit. Walking through a wall of a safe is one thing, but a time machine? If these bad guys have this time machine wouldn't that change the whole dynamic of the show? They could use it for anything! Shouldn't they use it for everything? It's a time machine/teleporter! Then all we're left with is a show about time travel. They better lock this plot device back up in its safe deposit boxes. Good day, sirs. --TimeMachinesAreRidiculous 18:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

• Yes... silly about going back to 1936 to get a Swiss Doctor to fight bird flu. He never claimed that it actually worked - only that it worked IN THEORY. Two very different things... apparently he got the teleportation part of it right (place-place, same timeframe) just not the time travel part of it (time-time, same place). Still - ya gotta admit, the effects were pretty cool in the last (and first) 5 minutes of this one... which makes it all good. My biggest time travel question is how'd the Bishop in the Cemetery father Walter, if Walter was born in '46, and his dad died in '44??? I know - you said good day :) > DocH 20:05, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
• About its only redeeming quality is that for the "exercise" in Safe, the fourth dimension (time) differential was set to zero; the transfer was in real time.--Jim in Georgia 20:11, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
• It was quite a sudden revelation! I loved Walter's delivery, but I'm hoping at least part of it is a red herring. The show's arc is really starting to pick up and I'd hate to see lazy-ass time travel. I haven't watched Lost closely but my understanding is that time travel (and other temporal discontinuities) were used sparingly. --Torley 06:47, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia links

I've noticed an increasing amount of liks to Wikipedia - in this article more than ever. We ought to stay away from this - if a topic is important enough (such as the Fibonacci Sequence) we should redlink it and eventually create a Fringepedia article on it. If it's not important enough, then we don't need any link at all. --Pierre 19:54, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

• I disagree. FRINGE is a clash between real science and the imagination. The Wikipedia is a well-designed and implemented source of information that has been subjected to "peer review" about the real.--Jim in Georgia 21:54, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
  • The thing is, if something is of interest to be linked to, then it is of interest to put it into FRINGE perspective. What episodes has it appeared in, how does it infect on the storyline and vice versa. If it isn't that interesting, then there is no problem for the user who wanna know more about it to look it up by him/her self. Fringepedia is about Fringe. --Pierre 22:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
  • I agree. It's fine to link to Wikipedia for something like Bufo alvarius, but the Fibonacci Sequence should have it's own page. Fringepedia's Fibonacci page can talk about how the sequence relates to the show, list mentions of Fibonnaci in the show, etc - plus it can link to the wikipedia page for further study. -- Dennis  Talk  Contribs  18:40, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Done!--Jim in Georgia 21:24, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

If we definitely want to link geographical locations to Wikipedia, I won't fight for it, although I do think we would gain on creating our own articles, from a Fringe POV (when was it mentioned, what ppl are connected to it etc.) My biggest issue, though, is that mathematical and scientific themes DEFINITELY deserve Fringepedia articles, given the very nature of the show. To create liks to wikipedia insted of Fringepedia redlinks, will make it much more difficult for us to spot what articles need to be created. --Pierre 23:00, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Co-Star

I was comparing the co-starring list here to the actual credits listed at the end of the show. I noticed some discrepancies, in particular the name of the bartender is listed here as "Drew" and as "Bartender" in the credits. He does calls himself Drew in the episode, so should we stick with the official credits and list him as Bartender, or Drew, or Bartender Drew? -- Dennis  Talk  Contribs  18:51, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I'd say we stick to our naming policy, i.e. calling the article Drew. --Pierre 20:00, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

"Raul" Lugo

Okay, his name is not "Raul". Olivia and everyone else pronounced it 'raw-ool', making the proper spelling "Raoul". Were his name "Raul", it would have been pronounced 'rawl'. Just making a note. Dr Bishop 16:42, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

The very end credit of the episode spells it "Raul Lugo". That's all we have to go on. Also - "'raw-ool" is the Spanish pronunciation of "Raul".

We shouldn't "fix" things that have canon or semi-canon sources to back them up, just because we think they are wrong. Aslo - in this case they are not wrong. --Pierre 23:04, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

My bad! I hadn't seen the credits for this episode yet..nor had I seen it spelled "Raul" before. Sorry for the confusion. --Dr Bishop 13:12, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

No prob :) Sorry for my harsh tone - it was a long day yesterday. --Pierre 22:07, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Closed captioning had it as Raul the whole show too. –DocH– my edits

Grammar

In the sentence, "In the Philadelphia Mutual Savings Bank at night, a team of five bank robbers kills a guard and disables the security cameras." the subject is "team." and "of five bank robbers" is a prepositional phrase modifying "team." The singular "Team" requires "kills" and "disables" as verbs.--Jim in Georgia 22:06, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Surveyors

I am having problems getting pages done for the surveyors. I am not sure which one is which. I uploaded 3 pictures of surveyors. I also uploaded photos of actor GregSchmalbach.jpg and RJFoster.jpg (I hope this is the right RJFoster). I have not found images for the other actors yet. Note that two surveyors have lines in the Transcripts and we therefore have assignment of characters there (is this accurate?). So I am curious to see how you think this all fits together.--Labgo 16:25, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

- Looking at cheeks, chins, noses, lips - I'd say Schmalbach = A and Foster = D. –DocH– my edits 14:48, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

-This is also my opinion, but this makes the transcript wrong. Schmalbach (Surveyor #2) would be the one with Loeb, not Surveyor #3 as is found in the transcript. The one identified in the transcript as Surveyor #2 would be in fact Surveyor #3 or #4.--Labgo 15:18, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

- Then absolutely change the transcript. That was apprentice work (me probably)... you've done the journeyman's job to get this far. –DocH– my edits

• Also, is Agent #3 the one that has a line in the dialog (in the safe room with Raul Lugo prisonner in the wall)? Or is he one of the two agents at the back of the group at the other bank in Providence? Other options?--Labgo 13:17, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

- My guess, without a picture, is that if it is a credited role, they have an audible input at some point. As far I know, that is the AGENT: in the vault with Raul that says to onlookers - Clear the area, please. (just a WAG on my part).

-This is logical. I have the picture of the actor (James Hook) but the agent is not shown very clearly in the episode.--Labgo 15:18, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Best Friend Continuity?

• Good observation about Olivia having or not having a best friend Eludium-Q36, but I am not sure it is a continuity error and not something introduced on purpose.--Labgo 04:21, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

- I don't think it is really so much of a continuity error. It is possible that Olivia was experiencing the memory of John Scott, and it could Scott who doesn't have a friend. So I'm voting for this to take off! -- Xerophytes _{Talk | Contribs} 10:37, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

- Concur. Removed. She says "pretty much" thru childhood = no best friends - not "entirely" - which leaves the poss of at least one HS best friend. -- –DocH– my edits 22:27, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Hepea

Has a reference to Hepia been found in the real world? I see tha HPIA may mean Highly Pathogenic Influenza A. There is also HPAI meaning Highly Pathogenic Avian Influenza.--Labgo 15:31, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

• Good question; it may fall under the category of "pronouncable acronyms."--Jim in Georgia 16:53, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Suggested Corrections

Could someone unlock this page for me as I have a number of additions / corrections to make. TIA--Wwahl11 19:30, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

- Safe unlocked.--Labgo 19:48, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

- All done, thanks again. --Wwahl11 22:04, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

An Error in the Episode

Not sure if this was intentional on the part of the writers or not, but when Walter was explaining to Peter how when he was little, Walter was forced to pull a scientist from the past to save his life, he referred to the "time-space continuum". The correct scientific usage of the term is the "space-time continuum". Ubcphysicsyangbo 08:38, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

- It is a hyphenated description that means the same thing (mathematical model) regardless of which word comes first. It is not "incorrect" to use it the way Walter did... it is just the lesser used version of the term for the same thing. Not a continuity error either because he didn't use the other version previously in the show. Plus, he didn't pull the other scientist from the past, he wanted to, but didn't. -- –DocH– my edits 22:27, 20 April 2010 (UTC)