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September

Can anyone provide a source as to why The Observer might be named September? The only "proof" I have seen in an anonymous comment left on a blog. --Dennis 17:41, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
The only names I've found "in-canon" have been "The Observer" or "Our Friend" (refering to Olivia telling Broyles, "You know, our friend, The Observer?" Never heard the name September at all.--IPosit 20:51, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Check the cast listing on IMDB for "The Arrival". He's listed as September. IMDB Cast Listing for "The Arrival" Listing

IMDB is a user maintained website, and as such not really a valid source. However, the official FOX press release for "The Arrival" calls him September. Pierre 20:57, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Obviously they were not going to put "The Observer" in the press release, so I don't consider it canon. He was not credited as September in the actual episode OR on the Fox website. -- Dennis  Talk  Contribs  17:04, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Agree - that's why its mentioned in the trivia section ;) Pierre 13:48, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
- To fit his agelesness in the series, it is worth noting that September was the seventh day in old Roman calendars, then it shifted to the ninth month - the way the observer seems to shift in time without aging.--Sobrien 16:22, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
- September's flower is the Aster. The flower from the glyphs is from this family. Also, perhaps a nod or connection to Astrid, the observer of Walter in the lab?--Sobrien 15:53, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
- Now that the official names of two observers has been revealed (in August), the names clearly relate to the observers being not only observers of time, but also part of time itself as explained by the fluid in the tube metaphor.--Sobrien 15:33, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
- Should we redirect this page to September? Now that we know the names of the Observers, I think we should. Lounger 13:54, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
- Why would we? At no point has he been referred to as September - officially. –DocH– my edits 14:01, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

- We know that the observers have names and that there are more than this one. "Many Months of Observers" [1] confirms that they are named for months. It is inaccurate now to refer to this character as "observer" as a singular entity. I say this character page ought to be named "September" and "Observer" should be a reference to the group.--Sobrien 00:25, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

- Read carefully above. At no time has the character been officially referred to as September. Not in credits, not in context. BUT Broyles has said that Fringe Division calls him "The Observer" AND all of the images the Division has of him - those photos say "THE OBSERVER" on the label in the image. Fringetelevision and Anna Torv are not the creative staff at Fringe, and therefore not a source of canon for this wiki/encyclopedia of facts. The spoiler and canon practices we use here prevent us from stating his name as September - mostly because its not, at least yet, for our purposes here. If Torv is telling us something that is going to be revealed, then that is spoilerish - something you don't want to pursue either. That is blog and chatroom material, not wiki material. –DocH– my edits 01:45, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
-OK, points well taken; I do believe the change will at some point happen, but I now agree not changing is correct until the official cannon uses the name in context.. --Sobrien 23:26, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

NFL Appearance

I don't know if anyone was watching FOX-NFL this weekend, but during the 1:00 football game, when the game was showing the sponsors on the screen, they superimposed the Observer into the crowd during the sponsors. He was just staring at the TV screen, very creepy! --Darthpeepee 15:04, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Images

I've put up images of the Observer's appearances in each episode. The quality is pretty bad though - I urge anyone with clearer pics to upload them :) Pierre 13:48, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not crazy about the cropped format of these photos. We know what the observer looks like. I think the point of these should be to show where in the episode he appeared. -- Dennis  Talk  Contribs  21:46, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I agree in part, but the white shirt and black tie are hard to see in the Safe shot; if we pull it back for a "long shot," they'll be almost invisible.--Jim 02:47, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I think that images of The Observer utilizing his cellular phone and unique pistol should be included in the description. Robinabo 02:25, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Exact Times

Michael Cerveris

Should we be assuming that Michael Cerveris is present in every easter egg shot of the Observer, particularly one as unclear as that in Safe?--Jim 01:51, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

---(Labgo! No fair! Too funny! I had to stop typing & thinking for 15 minutes, stand-up, walk around, and wipe my eyes... you slayed me. –DocH– my edits )---

Similarity To G-Man

I've added a section to the page listing The Observers similarities to the G-man of the Half-Life series of games. Robinabo 02:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Aliens From Roswell

I seem to remember the aliens from the Roswell TV series having an affinity for Tabasco sauce and other hot sauces for some reason similar to what The Observer/September said to Walter in The Arrival (that he couldn't taste a root beer float). In Roswell as I remember it, the aliens didn't naturally have the ability to feel/taste anything, unless they used a human form continuously for a very long time. Can't really seem to find a 'legitimate' source for this other than fan sites, though. Valid enough for mention on the main page or not? Noh Boddy 18:41, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Role In Events

Having not yet actually seen the episode The Arrival, I wanted to put this here rather than in theories. It occured to me that the Observer's "job" might not actually be to observe but to actually make sure that events happen as they are supposed to, which would explain why he tells someone "Departure on schedule" at the end of the episode, and also why he appeared in The No-Brainer, which so far seams to be a non-pattern episode. This would require knowledge of the future, and would explain why The Observer saved Walter and Peter from drowning in the lake. The problem comes from The Arrival, because this would also suggest that The Observer knew what Peter was going to say ahead of time, rather than reading his mind. I know Walter says he knew things from the Observe without being told them, so maybe he can force his thoughts on other people, as a way to make sure things happen as they are supposed to, but can't necesarily read peoples minds. --Evil Joe 18:07, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

The Observers

Since there now appears to be more than one Observer, I'm wondering how best to turn the article from speaking of one Observer (The Bishop Observer, i'm calling him) to the fact that there appear to be many observers. Suggest that the observer from all previous episodes before August be referred to as The Bishop Observer, since he appears to be exclusively observing the Bishops/Dunham and their activities.

My idea would be to create an 'observers' page with everything we know about observers in general (all are bald male Caucasians, wearing formal attire, overuse hot sauces and/or chili peppers, use the unknown written language, use the high tech binoculars) and dedicate pages to each individual Observer titled after their name or who they've been watching if their name is not given from a legitimate-enough source (August for dead one, September for Bishop, July for skinny one briefly seen in August episode, December for other observer in August episode, child observer). Also would need to move general Observer info out of September/Bishop observer and place it in general Observers page. Noh Boddy 19:35, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

- Observers page has been created. I don't think we have evidence of a "child observer". Pages exist for August and December, who had significant roles in August (note that December appears in the credits but he is not named in the episode). July (again named in the credits) does not yet have a page but had only a small role.--LabGo 21:12, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Officially Reference

As of 4x11 "Making Angels", he's officially been referred to as September within the show by characters. In fact, it was December who called him by name. I think it's time for the article to finally be renamed, but I'd rather have a staffer here do it rather than me. Cause, you know, I don't want it immediately reverted without them even bothering to look at this discussion topic... That said, if it isn't changed within like, I dunno, a day or two, I'll do it myself.--SinclairJones 14:34, 5 February 2012 (MST)

- Yeah. That was already covered on the discussion page for the episode. You assume they are talking about The Observer that we know. It could be they are talking another one, since they didn't specifically address the one that we know. And the 76th episode does not completely rewrite our entire archive here - the archive that represents the previous 75 episodes, as well. Your comment is a footnote (at best) on the character page. –DocH– my edits 17:52, 5 February 2012 (MST)

It's obvious who they're talking about in Making Angels, referencing 1985 and not following orders (end of Neither Here Nor There). His name is September. Hewhoslaystigers 04:05, 9 March 2012 (MST)

- No. It wasn't obvious until 4x14 when the calendar of Observers gathered, used Septembers' code name, then went and nabbed him from the lab after then suggested they would. (and September said they might). Anything before that was "hinted at" or "suggested". –DocH– my edits
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